aklim
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• Hartford, WI, USA |
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 Posted:4/11/2011 07:25 |
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As I said, 1 simple tune can give him that. All the way to as far as his wallet allows. Banks costs too much for too little, PERIOD. For $75, I can have his PCM flashed with an 60-80 Economy tune, get a MBRP exhaust for a few hundred more and maybe a 6637 for under $200. Either way, I can't see how gauges can hurt especially for diagnostics but if you really want to skip that, whatever.
Yes, Banks has an all in one solution which is handy to sell. What you refuse to see is that when he wants to make further improvements it is Banks way or the highway. I would never ask that of someone nor am I stupid enough to do that myself.
You might not be worthy of Banks but I know I am deserving of more. I'm sure you can sell enough of Banks stuff just by mentioning the name but there are other legitimate options out there. Not all roads lead to Banks. Except for you if you are selling them, I suppose. .
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MountainWestDiesel
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• Mountain West, WY, USA |
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Posted:4/11/2011 08:02 |
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Brother...
you cannot improve economy without better airflow in and out.... everything else is a band aid...
You don't like Banks... I do not care...
Banks has stats... and it provides everything I need...
Hell, I got the money... and have yet to see any other system that brings it like this one...
he is not looking to build past economy...
So ...we'll agree to disagree...
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aklim
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• Hartford, WI, USA |
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Posted:4/11/2011 08:30 |
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| Quote: | you cannot improve economy without better airflow in and out.... everything else is a band aid...
You don't like Banks... I do not care...
Banks has stats... and it provides everything I need...
Hell, I got the money... and have yet to see any other system that brings it like this one...
he is not looking to build past economy...
So ...we'll agree to disagree...
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I agree, to a point. You have to find where your choke point is first. The 6637filter has been known to flow as much as your stock motor can handle. Basically remove the airbox and stick the filter on. You do understand that the filter needs a 4 in pipe. That means the outlet is 4 inches. How big is the inlet on the turbo again? You can get a kit from Riffraff Diesel for $77. That is a powder coated tube with the filter and a filter jacket with SS clamps for $77. Don't need to pay for the washable one. It will flow what you need. More past this point isn't better for his application.
I don't like to buy into a system where there is only "Your way or the highway" when there are legitimate options there.
I don't disagree it is a working system. It is just a system that costs too much for too little. So when there is better out there, I recommend it.
Yes, true. A lot of people on the other forums constantly get beat by the guys with the "Banks" stickers. I wonder why they are running other tuners and other items. 
Then he needs to look at the right foot for the best economy. Beyond that, Get a filter system like the one I mentioned for $77, Get an MBRP T409 system for say $410 or Aluminized for $350-400 and flash is PCM for say a 60HP Tow tune. Under $1000 even if you get it installed.
Probably. Unless you can use your distributor discount and get him one hell of a deal
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MountainWestDiesel
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• Mountain West, WY, USA |
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Posted:4/11/2011 09:09 |
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Baby Boy...
Mere tunes to a chip are a Milli Vanilli fix... back yard BS, amateur hour... and the minor leagues
Low grade ...back yard... 20 something mechanics... thinking they know the deal
I am not a Banks distributor...
I can read though... and I can see the results... and I can look at the R&D of all these aftermarket guys...
Banks broke the records... Who else has those stats... ? He guarantees what he builds and sells... longer than most, if not all, of his competition ...If I have a tech problem... I call a 1-800 number... He has actual techs on stand by... and he actually has an on site installation facility.
If I want my chip re-tuned... I plug my iQ into my laptop and download the tune directly from his website... onto my iQ ...no mailing... no BS... no butt hair smokin aftermarket help line... that likely does not exist anyway... or has some pimple faced douche bag trying to pass as a diesel tech.
Time is money... so keep searching for something... anything... to combat the truth ...i do not really care...
You can't buy a Porsche, and put low grade fuel in it...
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You cannot make a diesel efficient, without increased air flow, enlarging the inter-cooler, and creating a more efficient exhaust... PERIOD !
If I want to monkey stomp folks on the strip... I'll keep the banks bundle... get the performance injectors, ...get the head studs... get the torque converter... get the extra large turbo... get the performance fuel system... get the EGR delete kit... and monkey stomp any of the folks who have equal upgrades from other manufacturers...
You may simply be trying to compensate for a system you cannot afford... therefore... since you cannot afford it... you will find the quick cheap fix... then bash a product so you can compensate for your financial short commings.... get your head out of the sand... and read a book... ignorance.... is not bliss...
Here is why I know the Banks System is top notch... When, after installing my system, my Diesel Mechanic drove it to all of the other Diesel shops in town, to show it off to his colleagues... That's where the proof lies Baby Boy... When the Diesel guys say DAMN !!
Keep your Milli Vanilli fixes... it fits you... But do not recommend 2nd rate, 1/2 ass fixes on this site...
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aklim
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• Hartford, WI, USA |
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Posted:4/11/2011 10:56 |
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| Quote: | Baby Boy...
Mere tunes to a chip are a Milli Vanilli fix... back yard BS, amateur hour... and the minor leagues
Low grade ...back yard... 20 something mechanics... thinking they know the deal
I am not a Banks distributor...
I can read though... and I can see the results... and I can look at the R&D of all these aftermarket guys...
Banks broke the records... Who else has those stats... ? He guarantees what he builds and sells... longer than most, if not all, of his competition ..
.If I have a tech problem... I call a 1-800 number... He has actual techs on stand by... and he actually has an on site installation facility. If I want my chip re-tuned... I plug my iQ into my laptop and download the tune directly from his website... onto my iQ ...no mailing... no BS... no butt hair smokin aftermarket help line... that likely does not exist anyway... or has some pimple faced douche bag trying to pass as a diesel tech.
Time is money... so keep searching for something... anything... to combat the truth ...i do not really care...
You can't buy a Porsche, and put low grade fuel in it...
You cannot make a diesel efficient, without increased air flow, enlarging the inter-cooler, and creating a more efficient exhaust... PERIOD !
If I want to monkey stomp folks on the strip... I'll keep the banks bundle... get the performance injectors, ...get the head studs... get the torque converter... get the extra large turbo... get the performance fuel system... get the EGR delete kit... and monkey stomp any of the folks who have equal upgrades from other manufacturers...
You may simply be trying to compensate for a system you cannot afford... therefore... since you cannot afford it... you will find the quick cheap fix... then bash a product so you can compensate for your financial short commings....
get your head out of the sand... and read a book... ignorance.... is not bliss...
Here is why I know the Banks System is top notch... When, after installing my system, my Diesel Mechanic drove it to all of the other Diesel shops in town, to show it off to his colleagues... That's where the proof lies Baby Boy... When the Diesel guys say DAMN !!
Keep your Milli Vanilli fixes... it fits you... But do not recommend 2nd rate, 1/2 ass fixes on this site...
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Can't talk without trying to talk down to others, can you? First, you claim that I have nothing besides a Polaris ATV, when that got debunked, now this.. Baby boy? Why don't YOU grow up and learn to discuss without the insults.
I could have sworn I suggested more than that but perhaps I misread myself. Even if he bought Banks stuff and if he stuck with 1 single item, it won't help much either.
Is there ANYBODY besides Banks that knows anything, according to you, that is? Doubtful but let's hear it from you.
What a shocker.
And I can also read a lot of magazines that have posted people with results. What of it? Or do those that sing praises of Banks count and others don't?
While I am impressed with his record, I am not sure you understand fully what you are buying. Are you saying that those are the items he broke records with? If not, you are subscribing to the old adage of "Win a race on Sunday, Sell a car on Monday". If he has those same items he used to set records with for sale, lets talk. If not, it doesn't matter. It is a whole different item you are talking about. Just because Chevrolet won yesterday's race doesn't mean that the Chevy you bought today has any resemblance to what won the race.
Interesting you should mention this. Several people have had responses from PHP, DP-Tuner, TW, etc, etc but few have come forward to say Banks was helpful to them. At least after the sale. So just to be clear, you can put Stage III AC injectors or hybrids in your truck and have the ECM returned? Have you PERSONALLY done this or seen this done? I talked to them PERSONALLY as I was typing this so between that and the time you read it, something possibly could have changed but you don't have a live tech. You have a mailbox and they get back to you. FACT: you cannot change anything that isn't in their system. I will admit their sales dept is polite and reasonably knowledgeable. Still it doesn't erase the simple fact that it is a one trick pony. Does the trick well but you are done at the end of the show. THAT is what I don't like.
True but to simply marry one reputable person isn't the way to do it. He is NOT all that was diesel, is diesel and will be diesel. Nobody is.
I can buy a Corvette, put all kinds of go fast parts in it and make it better than what the manufacturer made. That Porsche was made YESTERDAY. It was good YESTERDAY. Tomorrow, something that makes it better can come on the horizon. Or is it your belief that once made, nothing better can come along except Banks?
Well, improve the rest first. After which, you can get the intercooler. It isn't a bad piece but whether it is going to give the stock system much of a gain is the question. If you don't have the chip, exhaust turbo set up, it won't be optimal. Sure, better than stock but you aren't getting full potential.
Yes, and I want to be an astronaut. I just don't like to leave the wife, kids, dog, etc, etc for long periods of time BTW, on many other forums, I am reading that the reverse happens.
You got me there. I can't afford to buy products like Banks that force me to stick with his one solution. I will not buy a chip that says that I cannot use any other injector or turbo or camshaft if I want.
Try that advice on yourself. Banks is not the be all and end all of diesel. Nobody is. Even if they are today, the might not be tomorrow. As an old chinese saying goes, roughly translated "One mountain high, there is another higher mountain". If that wasn't true, we wouldn't be in the financial mess we are in. We would have been riding high since WWII to the day your grandchildren die.
That's your proof? Really?
Thanx for the advice. Who made you god to decide what people can or cannot recommend?
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MountainWestDiesel
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• Mountain West, WY, USA |
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• Registered on 2/25/2011 |
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Posted:4/11/2011 19:27 |
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Aklim...
You have yet to provide an actual "bolt on" system that compares to what a Banks System can do...
You give pieces & parts...
I provided a solution... that solution has stats... and R&D ...you have provided nothing but a "You can reprogram your chip if you mail it to so and so". I bet those guys are great Diesel techs... LMFAO !! "Here, buy my chip... you don't need to upgrade breathe-ability... my chip will miraculously increase your air intake... cool that air... and automatically expand your exhaust pipes... all for $300 !! 
As far as being all things Diesel... Name me 1 person who is even close to Banks... !
YOU Can't !! Can you ??!! Who holds all the diesel records?
His Systems were designed to work with everything stock... CORRECT !?
NOWHERE does he recommend upgrading injectors, turbos etc... etc...
I doubt you have the insight into the Banks System... therefore, since all you can say is... "you are stuck with it" once installed... shows you have no viable option... except to bash a system, that you know absolutely nothing about... because you have never been behind the wheel of that system... Wait... Better yet, lets check the other experts on this forum... they are all so knowledgeable !!
You buy a system based on your needs, its value & performance stats...
Any system you buy.... you are stuck with... !! GET IT !!
even yours...!!
How can being stuck w/ a high intake ram air be bad? Can you name me one that is better than Banks? If so, by how much? Where is their research ?
How can being stuck with a larger inter cooler be bad? Can you name me one that is better than Banks? If so, by how much? Where is their research ?
How can being stuck with a larger efficient exhaust be bad? Can you name me one that is better than Banks? If so, by how much? Where is their research ?
These are the breathe-ability upgrades required to make all diesels more efficient... regardless if you want economy, towing or performance... then, after breathe-ability, you can play your silly little chip games... to your hearts content... because after a diesel can breathe... the chip can bring it to the next level... so why would ANYONE change the breathe-ability of their diesel...??? Unless they are taking it to the sled grounds or drag strip....!
Why would I change these? Is the Magna Flow exhaust better than the Banks? Is the Banks better than the Flow Master exhaust ? If so, by how much ? You seem to have all the answers. WAIT ! I think you should scan the other forums, for input and answers... and use their diesel scientific expertise to come to a conclusion !
The system you run is a mix and match of this, that and the other... I highly doubt it brings anymore HP or Torque than the "bolt on" bundle that I had installed... dollar for dollar
Why would I change my system...? Its what I want... I am not going to chase the rabbit... just to never catch it... keep blowing your cash on the latest and greatest... it still won't be able to bring the solid performance, stats, and R&D background as the Banks system... dollar for dollar you will have to upgrade your injectors, turbo, and likely go straight pipes... and no cat.
Sorry your feelings are hurt... but the truth can be brutal... like a WY winter... it can cut to the bone...
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aklim
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• Hartford, WI, USA |
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Posted:4/11/2011 20:49 |
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| Quote: | I provided a solution... that solution has stats... and R&D ...you have provided nothing but a "You can reprogram your chip if you mail it to so and so". I bet those guys are great Diesel techs... LMFAO !! "Here, buy my chip... you don't need to upgrade breathe-ability... my chip will miraculously increase your air intake... cool that air... and automatically expand your exhaust pipes... all for $300 !!
As far as being all things Diesel... Name me 1 person who is even close to Banks... !
YOU Can't !! Can you ??!! Who holds all the diesel records?
His Systems were designed to work with everything stock... CORRECT !? NOWHERE does he recommend upgrading injectors, turbos etc... etc...
I doubt you have the insight into the Banks System... therefore, since all you can say is... "you are stuck with it" once installed... shows you have no viable option... except to bash a system, that you know absolutely nothing about... because you have never been behind the wheel of that system... Wait... Better yet, lets check the other experts on this forum... they are all so knowledgeable !!
You buy a system based on your needs, its value & performance stats...
Any system you buy.... you are stuck with... !! GET IT !! even yours...!!
How can being stuck w/ a high intake ram air be bad? Can you name me one that is better than Banks? If so, by how much? Where is their research ? How can being stuck with a larger inter cooler be bad? Can you name me one that is better than Banks? If so, by how much? Where is their research ? How can being stuck with a larger efficient exhaust be bad? Can you name me one that is better than Banks? If so, by how much? Where is their research ?
These are the breathe-ability upgrades required to make all diesels more efficient... regardless if you want economy, towing or performance... then, after breathe-ability, you can play your silly little chip games... to your hearts content... because after a diesel can breathe... the chip can bring it to the next level... so why would ANYONE change the breathe-ability of their diesel...??? Unless they are taking it to the sled grounds or drag strip....!
Why would I change these? Is the Magna Flow exhaust better than the Banks? Is the Banks better than the Flow Master exhaust ? If so, by how much ? You seem to have all the answers. WAIT ! I think you should scan the other forums, for input and answers... and use their diesel scientific expertise to come to a conclusion !
The system you run is a mix and match of this, that and the other... I highly doubt it brings anymore HP or Torque than the "bolt on" bundle that I had installed... dollar for dollar
Why would I change my system...? Its what I want... I am not going to chase the rabbit... just to never catch it... keep blowing your cash on the latest and greatest... it still won't be able to bring the solid performance, stats, and R&D background as the Banks system... dollar for dollar you will have to upgrade your injectors, turbo, and likely go straight pipes... and no cat.
Sorry your feelings are hurt... but the truth can be brutal... like a WY winter... it can cut to the bone...
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Somehow, you fail to read what I said. I cannot help you if you refuse to read. I already made recommendations for intakes and exhaust. Again, I never said that a chip will take place of that. I don't know how many times I have to say it till you understand it.
Good thing for others that nobody reads you or all the other diesel shops will go out of business. Sorry but there are other shops that also do diesel work. They just don't have the PR department which I will admit, Banks is second to none.
Again, if you want to subscribe to "Win a race on Sunday, sell cars on Monday", fair enough. Tell me about his diesel records. Tell me which of those systems you are buying.
Correct. In fact, they tell you that the system CANNOT, again, for you, CANNOT adapt to anything else. No "ands, buts or ifs".
Perhaps not as thoroughly as you but I'll bet the sales dept I talked to does have some insight or at least should since they sell the stuff. I told them my setup and besides the intake and exhaust, they CANNOT, once more for clarity CANNOT adapt to it. No way, no how. That was THIS MORNING that placed the call. Perhaps you have more insight than I about this? BTW, I have driven a truck that was Banks. I wasn't as impressed as I was when I drove another truck that wasn't. For the money the guy paid, it should have been faster.
Absolutely rubbish. You buy it with room to expand not your needs TODAY. You plan for TOMORROW.
You have some explaining to do on this. Please elaborate. I just changed a turbo and had a tweak on the chip to make it better. I can change injectors tomorrow and have the programs match. I do not understand what you are trying to say about me being stuck with it. Should my needs exceed the programmer's ability, a new programmer fixes that. Dump the F6 and get something else that has been on a dyno. How am I stuck?
Show me the diesel race trucks that use his ram air system over any others. Same with intercoolers and exhaust systems. You want to talk performance, there is performance. You can't, without tearing out the firewall get much bigger than 4 inches. So, unless it can flow more AND you need more, the price isn't worth it.
Did I disagree that better flowing intakes are bad? Is it worth having the Ram Air system? Depends on whether it can flow to justify the price and whether the motor can use it or not.
Well, I suppose you can ask Banks and he will tell you honestly what is best. Leave the credit card at his door and sign the blank forms. Don't even need to do any research. Just buy Banks and all will be well, I suppose? Doesn't matter if it works at the strip as long as Banks sticker is on it, does it? Yes, I do see others that are making more power and getting some idea what they are using. OTOH, open a catalog and add the power you can make with each component and skip the work instead. Oh wait. Just go ask popular opinion as you do.
Actually, it is based off what the current tuner recommends and checked against what other have used successfully.
You got me there. It won't, dollar for dollar give the me the same performance as Banks will. So far, others not me, and thus a little more independent and not one case, have done better. Banks was the only one or two once. Not anymore. Look at his 6 gun. Tell me it is more than a variable resister to fool the ECM about the ICP values. Dollar for dollar? Yeah, right. That was simply the 10K mod. But perhaps you can explain the research that went into that one and tell me how worthwhile that was?
No, my feelings are not hurt. As I said, your name callings and disparagement then switching stands make me think "Jerk" when thinking of you not "information". Look at your own posts. First, you talk of my Polaris ownership as a disqualification, next when I own a diesel vehicle, you switch stands. Really. Truth? What truth?
You want the truth? It came from a Banks sales rep. Unless I go back to stock, he cannot make his system work with it. Now, tell me more about his loading updates onto your IQ unit.
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MountainWestDiesel
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• Mountain West, WY, USA |
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Posted:4/11/2011 20:57 |
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Aklim...
I am through dealing with your dumb ass...
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Mark Peterson
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• Big Lake, MN, USA |
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Posted:4/11/2011 21:03 |
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Again guys thanks a bunch. I sure did not mean to get you all riled up!  I guess what I'd really like to know for now is, am I ok (for now) running the Superchips 1705 and K&N air filter. Like I said we live on a very tight budget, and if these add ons are helpful I'd prefer to use them until I can upgrade to Banks or DP. Thanks again, this is by far my favorite forum.
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aklim
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• Hartford, WI, USA |
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Posted:4/11/2011 21:05 |
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I am through dealing with your dumb ass...
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Thanx for verifying my point. No facts, just name callings and subject changing. That's you in a nutshell. Bet you can't show anything real.
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